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http://www.diary.ru/~kulebrin/p47357083.htm
Также найдено на http://anekdot.ru/a/an0809/o080901;10.html
(а также, судя по всему, кто-то уже и на башорг тиснул).

...вспомнилась история, случившаяся при дубляже первой серии фантастического боевика «Звездные войны». «Помните, в начале фильма два благородных рыцаря-джедая рубят врагов лазерными мечами, потом главный говорит что-то типа: «Нам тут делать нечего – уходим!», и оба сваливают? - рассказывала мне режиссёр русской озвучки «Звёздных войн» Мария Соловцова. - Так в оригинале фраза звучала: «Силы равные – бежим!» Я как услышала, чуть не упала. Переспрашиваю у американцев – оказывается, всё так и есть. Мол, раз силы равные, то нечего на рожон лезть, а лучше удрать, потом вызвать авиацию, ну и так далее, смотрите новости из Ирака. Пришлось объяснить, что в России представления о героизме другие, и, увидев подобных персонажей, наш зритель просто сбежит из зала».

Нужно ли говорить, что сие - вранье? Вот как оно звучало в оригинале:

00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,880
Master! Destroyers!

00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,360
They have shield generators!

00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,360
It's a standoff.
Let's go.

Согласно словарю Мюллера, standoff - тупик; безвыходное положение.

Date: 2008-09-02 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] varnol.livejournal.com
Ага, читал, смеялсо.

Date: 2008-09-02 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dimitridze.livejournal.com
http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/StarWars/starwars1.html - вот вам для подтверждения правильности английской цитаты )

Date: 2008-09-02 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slavka.livejournal.com

звучит вполне разумно – раз в данный момент нет преимущества (позиционного или тактического итд) то было бы разумно сперва это преимущество создать (например, вызвать авиацию)
имхо, героическая традиция заваливать врага пушечным мясом уже несколько устарела ...

Date: 2008-09-02 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altyn.livejournal.com
анекдот_ру давно является частью агитпропа

Same old story, same old dance

Date: 2008-09-07 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copperkettle78.livejournal.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism#The_degeneracy_thesis

The degeneracy thesis

The Comte de Buffon, a leading French naturalist, developed the "degeneracy thesis" in the mid-eighteenth century. It held that the American landmasses were inferior to Europe and in decline due to atmospheric conditions.

In the mid- to late-eighteenth century, a theory emerged among European intellectuals that the New World landmasses were inherently inferior to Europe. The so-called "degeneracy thesis" held that climatic extremes, humidity and other atmospheric conditions in America physically weakened both men and animals.[28] Two authors, James W. Ceaser and Philippe Roger, have interpreted this theory as a "a kind of prehistory of anti-Americanism."[4][29] Purported evidence for the idea included the smallness of American fauna, dogs that ceased to bark, and venomous plants;[30] one theory put forth was that the New World had emerged from the Biblical flood later than the Old World.[31] Native Americans were also held to be feeble, small, and without ardor.[32]

The theory originated with Comte de Buffon, a leading French naturalist, in his Histoire Naturelle (1766).[32] The French writer Voltaire joined Buffon and others in making the argument.[30] Dutchman Cornelius de Pauw, court philosopher to Frederick II of Prussia became its leading proponent.[4] While Buffon focused on the American biological environment, de Pauw attacked people native to the continent.[31] In 1768, he described America as "degenerate or monstrous" colonies and argued that, "the weakest European could crush them with ease."[33]

The theory was extended to argue that the natural environment of the United States would prevent it from ever producing true culture. Paraphrasing de Pauw, the French Encyclopedist Abbé Raynal wrote, "America has not yet produced a good poet, an able mathematician, one man of genius in a single art or a single science."[34] The theory was debated and rejected by early American thinkers such as Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson; Jefferson, in his Notes on the State of Virginia (1781), provided a detailed rebuttal of de Buffon.[4] Hamilton also vigorously rebuked the idea in Federalist No. 11 (1787).[32] The living examples of Jefferson and Franklin—vigorous geniuses and clearly not degenerate—helped refute the thesis.[31]

Research into the degeneracy idea dates to at least 1944 and the work of Italian historian Antonello Gerbi.[31] One critic, citing Raynal's ideas, suggests that it was specifically extended to the English colonies that would become the United States.[35]

Roger suggests that the idea of degeneracy posited a symbolic, as well as a scientific America, that would evolve beyond the original thesis. He argues that Buffon's ideas formed the root of a "stratification of negative discourses" that has recurred throughout the two countries' relationship (and has been matched by persistent anti-Gallic sentiment in the United States).[29]

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